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Leveraging the Law to Fight Back Victimization (Part 1) - August 26, 2017 on Hit 95.9 FM

Chibuzor: Good morning!
This is 'The SunRise Convo with Chibuzor' brought to you by The SunRise Youth Intervention Organisation - a faith-based Organisation doing an amazing work in the area of youth intervention and youth development.

Hope you enjoyed last Saturday's discussion on 'Maximizing your talent'.

We sincerely apologize for our website being down for about a week now. We most definitely assure you that the website will be up on Tuesday and the transcript of the last two shows will be available for you.

Today we are going to have a fantastic and a memorable show as we discuss 'Leveraging the law to fight back victimization.'

But first, I have here with me the state executives of the International Cake Exploration Society (ICES): Mrs. Yvonne Felix, Mrs. Maurine Godwin and Mrs. Dorcas Echa.

So good to have all of you here.


Dorcas, Maurine and Yvonne: Thank you so much.



Chibuzor: Last two Saturday ago when you were here, Mrs. Echa, you had a lot of colorful things to say about the International Cake Exploration Society (ICES). Mrs. Yvonne, tell us more about the organisation.


Yvonne: Yeah, thank you. The International Cake Exploration Society is a worldwide non-profit organisation. It has been promoting the sharing of sugar art skills for over 30 years now. Nigeria happens to be one of the members. In Nigeria we have different chapters, and Cross River State chapter was inaugurated in March 2017. From then till now we've been promoting the sugar art skill in the state.


Chibuzor: Wonderful. What are the benefits of being a registered member Mrs.  Maurine? Because some persons right now have heard 'cake, cake! I love cake!'


[Everyone laughs]


Some persons right now are asking, "Wow! How can I be a member of your organisation to grow my skill as a cake maker?"


Maurine: The benefit of being an ICES member is this: It advances you in your love for sugar arts. It gives you room to meet with other brands in the industry. It also gives you room to learn and to teach others. It also gives you better knowledge of the industry, where you can meet with other bakers in the world and have the opportunity to showcase your skills locally and internationally.


Chibuzor: Wow! And you guys have an interesting event coming up on the 4th and 5th of September.


Yvonne, Maurine and Dorcas: Yes.


Chibuzor: I would like to know more. Please, Dorcas, tell us more about the event.


Dorcas: The International Cake Exploration Society (ICES) is organizing an empowerment programme where we are giving back to the society at a very low cost. We are inviting all passionate bakers and listeners out there to come out for our training. We want them to come out, learn, and improve on their baking skills, very cheap. We have passes from about N1,500 to N2,000, and it's going to be taking place on the 4th and 5th of September, 2017. The time is 9am. The venue is NICO Catering School, beside Glo Office at Marian.


Chibuzor: Is it nearby Offiong Ekpo Close?


Yvonne: Yes, at Offiong Ekpo Close.



Chibuzor: Now, many of you listening know where this place is. If you don't know where it is, at least you know where Glo Office is, so you find your way there. It is over a week to the event.

How can individuals register for this programme? Should they text in their name, and every other necessary detail including their business name?


Yvonne: Yes, they can do that.


Chibuzor: So of you are interested in participating in this amazing training holding on the 4th and 5th of September 2017 by the International Cake Exploration Society, text in your name and the name of your business to this number I am about to call out. Pick up a pen or pencil as I call it out: 08037964973. Send a text.

The last time I was reading the profile of the organisation I saw gravity defying cakes, Human size what-what-what?


Yvonne: Yeah...human size cakes, gravity cakes, illusions on cakes, that is what we will be teaching on our DOS which is coming up on the 30th of August.

Our DOS means Day of Sharing. It is a day we, Calabar ICES members, set aside to sit for like 3 hours to share knowledge with bakers, get to connect, network, and meet other persons in the industry. Everyone is invited.


Chibuzor: This is actually interesting because this is an opportunity for young persons to grow their talent in baking. I know several young persons who are already baking, but just like the conversation we had on 'Maximizing Your Talent' you need to grow your skill.

I see this as an excellent opportunity for all bakers and those involved in confectioneries to be involved in this training.

Mrs. Yvonne, do you have something else to add to what have been said?


Yvonne: Yeah, we the Calabar Chapter; we are inviting all upcoming bakers, all the sugar craft artisans we have in the state, to join the big growing body in the industry which is I.C.E.S., you can be a member of ICES Nigeria by registering. Our annual registration is N10,000 which goes to the national body which is ICES Nigeria. We also have the international registration which is $75 for those who want to be an international member.

Being an international member gives you international exposure. You get to attend conventions abroad, and other benefits. Then for the State, like he said, if you're interested in joining us, come for our DOS which is coming up on the 30th of August, and send text messages to the number we gave out. Thank you.


Chibuzor: So once again the number is: 08037964973.

Mrs. Maurine, do you have something else you would like to say to our listeners?


Maurine: Yes. One thing I would like to add is about another programme that is coming up before our DOS. It called 'Cakeducation class'. We are having some tutors from Port Harcourt. They are coming to teach us things that most bakers don't know. The class is going to be very inspiring. When you come you will never regret going back. You will want to be on part of the ICES family because they are also ICES members coming from Port Harcourt to share their knowledge with us.


Chibuzor: That's really interesting. So Mrs. Echa, do you have a final word for our listeners. Maybe there are people who are excited about this programme and are eager to register, and later on they begin to give excuses. What do you have to say to them?


Dorcas Echa: What I have to say is that you don't have to keep procrastinating. Go out for what you love doing. You love cakes? Come! You love baking? Just come out! We are accepting everybody. Just come out for the training and you will never regret it.


Chibuzor: Wow! So once again the number is 08037964973.
You could also call them, but let it be a very serious call. 


[Everyone laughs]


Thank you so much Mrs. Yvonne, Mrs. Maurine, Mrs. Dorcas, for being here.

Thank you so much.

Now we'll go on a short music break. Enjoy this song by Mitchell Williams. It's titled 'When Jesus Says Yes'.

We'll be right back!


[Music break]


Chibuzor: Thank you for joining us.
If you are listening, this is 'The SunRise Convo with Chibuzor'.
Today we are discussing on a very important topic that has so much to do with you.

The topic is: 'Leveraging the law to fight back victimization.'

Here with me is Barr. Chuks Alilonu of U. A. Uno & Associates.

Barr. Alilonu was called to bar in 2005 and has been practicing as a private legal practitioner with U. A. Uno & Associates.

He is an Elder at Christian Pentecostal Mission International. He's been married for over 30 years and is blessed with children.

It's a pleasure to have you here, sir!


Barr. Chuks: Thank you for having me.


Chibuzor: I have known Barr. since I was a child and I don't know of anyone more credible to handle this topic.

Sir, we are looking at how to leverage the law to fight back victimization, especially as it concerns young persons.

We have young persons who experience injustice in the work place, many of them have been sexually harassed by teachers and lecturers. We know what goes on in the university. In the face of injustice, when should a person press charges against their molester, particularly those who are less than 18, because you find many of them go through issues like this are they are like, "Oh...I don't know what to do." So in the face of injustice and victimization, what should one do?


Barr. Chuks: Thank you very much. It's a very simple and straight forward question. The 1999 constitution section 16 sub 3, has enjoined every citizen to assist the state in issue of maintenance of law and order. And that being the case, every citizen especially the young ones who feel victimized, or is being threatened in the school or in the workplace, should take advantage of the law. He or she can approach the law enforcement agency. The law empowers him or her to do so. You can approach them, as well as the non-governmental organisations who are there to pursue his/her case.



Chibuzor: I know many of you are listening to this. The topic is: Leveraging the law to fight back victimization. I know there are a lot of you, young persons, who have gone through horrible experiences because people try to take advantage of your youth, thinking "Yeah...you are a young person, I can say anything or do anything to you and go scot free."

Why I chose to bring up this topic is, you find in the University, for example, a lecturer would see a young girl, she is pretty, maybe she missed a test. The girl comes into his office and says, "Sir, I'm so sorry I missed your test. I had an emergency which required I travelled urgently." Then the man looks at her and says "You could write the test in my hotel room, let me give you the card." The girl has no right to protest against it.

Let me bring up another case. For example, a young person goes to rent an apartment. At first the landlord told him the fees that he will need to pay periodically excluding the rent. By the time the person gets into his apartment, just because he is a young person, the landlord brings up strange inconsequential fees to exploit him/her. On a lighter note, he could even be asked to pay 'Global warming fees' to patch the ozone layer over his apartment.


[Everyone laughs]


Here is my question, we have this challenge especially we Christians when it comes to suing someone. Does suing an individual who has wronged you in a way that breaks the law mean that you are unforgiving?

Many Christians have been termed 'unforgiving' for choosing to press charges in response to an offense made against them. Does it mean because I am a Christian I can't take a legal action?


Barr. Chuks: In my own view, I don't think it is wrong for a Christian to take a legal action. What we are talking about here is justice, and justice is fairness. Justice to the victim and justice to the person who has committed the offense.

If God himself is a God of justice, if you look at the book of Genesis, in chapter 3 God began to ask Adam and Eve why they disobeyed Him.
Did God forgive them?


Chibuzor: Yeah!


Barr. Chuks: Did He forgive them?


Chibuzor: Yes, He did!


Barr. Chuks: But did He exert punishment on them?


Chibuzor: Of course, yes!


Barr. Chuks: If God was able to punish them for what they did even though He forgave them, the punishment and consequences were still there. God is a God of justice. He had to be fair to all. Justice demands that both to the offender and to the victim, there is justice for all. If you look at justice, you discover that a person who has been wronged has a duty to seek for redress. It's not that because you are a Christian you shouldn't do so. You are ensuring that such offense is not committed further, because if you don't take it up and seek redress, that offender might think that it's a normal thing to do. They'll go ahead and do that again. So justice demands that you have to take steps to seek for redress.

Like I said earlier on, the 1999 Constitution, section 46, enjoins every citizen who feels that his right has been violated to seek redress in a High Court of the state where it relates to him. So, the issue of "I am a Christian, I should not press charges (even when the matter can cause damage with ripple effects). I should turn the other cheek if I am slapped on the other." No! God himself says "the soul that sinneth shall die." There is judgment! There is judgment released on anyone that commits an offense. If you rely on the fact that you are not going to seek redress for an offense that was committed against you because you are a Christian, you are encouraging the person to continue in his unlawful action. So in my view, I believe it is right for a Christian to seek redress.



Chibuzor: Please feel free to send in your question via the number: 08030734147. Do so even as we go on this short music break. We'll be right back.


[Music break: Faithful by Brooke Fraser]


Chibuzor: Good to have you back!
This is 'The SunRise Convo with Chibuzor' brought to you by The SunRise Youth Intervention Organisation.

The topic of our discourse is: Leveraging the law to fight back victimization.

Here in the studio with me is Barr. Chuks Alilonu. For those of you who have questions to ask, please send it via the number: 08030734147.

So sir, there is another question I would like to ask. Cases where women who were married and unfortunately they lost their husbands, and their in-laws decide to use such opportunities to victimize them, to molest them using tradition as an excuse to do so. There are several cases of such all around. What should such women do when they find themselves in a situation like that?


Barr. Chuks: Such women should approach a legal practitioner. There are legal practitioners who can assist them to pursue their case. Also like I had said earlier, you still have the non-governmental organisations who are after women's rights. They are there for your use. You can always approach them and they know the appropriate things to do. They can file cases for you and help you seek redress. So in such cases do not relent. Do not be harassed or intimidated by your in-laws. You can approach a legal practitioner or a non-governmental organisation like I said earlier to pursue your case for you.


Chibuzor: Alright sir. We have some text messages here. Someone said,

"I know as a human being we are bound to be angry, but my question is, is it right for a Christian to follow up with seriousness against anyone that offends you?"

Even though the text message is not very well expressed, I think what the individual is asking is, "Should you always press charges when you are wronged by someone?"


Barr. Chuks: No I don't think so. I don't think so. If you are a true Christian, you shouldn't first of all think of approaching the matter through the court. You should approach the individual and then try to sort out things. Where this individual insist on continuing to offend you, you can then approach your pastor to settle issue with you. When you have reached that level where settlement cannot be reached through the Church, then you have no other option than to go to court.


Chibuzor: [Exhales]  We are going to continue this conversation next Saturday. I know some of you have several questions to ask but we can't go further because out time is very limited. But if you have some pressing issues and you need counsel, you need advice on how to go about it, you could contact Barr. Alilonu via this number: 08030734147.

I believe we all go through things and we need the right counsel so we can make the right decision to come out of such mess.

We will continue this conversation next Saturday. Now I have a few announcements to make:

1) The Blue Certificate Course Work of the SunRise Academy for Young Leaders is currently in session , so participants are expected to be seated at the venue by 11am.
The October/November session begins in 5 weeks. Registration is currently ongoing.
To register send your name, age, gender and career ambition right now to 08139691344, and we will get back to you.

2) Hearty congratulations to the family of Mr & Mrs Onyeabuchi Oko on the dedication of their son - Brian Ihechukwu Onyeabuchi.
The event will take place tomorrow at Elohim Christian Centre located at Atamunu.

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They are located at 95 Maybe Avenue, Calabar.

The transcript of today's conversation will be up on our website on Tuesday.

The website is will be up on Tuesday.

So sir, I would like you to say a short prayer for our listeners.


[Barr. Chuks says a prayer in Jesus name]


I am Chibuzor Agomuoh.

Check our website for the transcript on Tuesday.


It's been a nice time with you.
I love you for listening.
Bye bye!

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